Question
When my friends tell me the Bible is misogynistic, they’re not talking about Genesis or New Testament stuff, but stuff in the Old Testament where God wanted women stoned if they were raped, or have them married to their rapist. Women are unclean and segregated because they’re on their period? This is the sort of thing that shows Christianity to be misogynistic moreso than other stuff, I think.
General Answer
We must keep in mind what Moses’ law was intended for. It was not intended to make Israel into God’s perfect, ideal nation. It was intended to keep them from sliding into the ways of the pagans around them. It was not an elevating force, it did not make them better…it was a check. Like Paul says in 1 Tim 1:9-10, the law is not made for righteous people, but for those without rules and the disobedient. The law makes nothing perfect, only Christ can. Heb 7:19
I always thought these verses meant that it was impossible to KEEP the law, but if you could somehow achieve that, then you’d be perfect. But that is not what it means. Moses’ law was NOT perfect. We know this because Jesus amended it. He made it stricter in parts and more lenient in others. Jesus also said that unless a person’s righteousness is better than the Pharisees, who prided themselves on keeping the law, he could not enter heaven. (Mat 5:20) Moses’ law is not the full will of God.
So what is it? Katharine Bushnell describes it like this:
Let us show the province of legislation by the aid of a homely illustration: A heavily loaded cart is being dragged, laboriously, by a man, up a hill. That cart will represent human progress. The man pulling, will represent moral and religious instruction, including such means of grace as God has put forth for our help, such as conversion, etc. Only one step is gained at a time, and there are many pauses, in other words, the progress of the human race has interruptions. Now human legislation, as aid to human progress, may be compared to a stone, which is being used by a boy (the body of legislators), as a brake, so that when the pull ceases the cart will not run backward down hill again. At each pause in front, the boy pushes his stone close up against the wheel behind, and so he greatly helps the man in front.
It requires some skill on the part of the boy, in order to give the utmost help to the man in front. So the genius of the statesman consists, largely, in his gift of divining public moral opinion, in other words, in knowing the precise moment when, and the precise point at which, to apply legislation. The stone will do no good if placed too far behind the cart; in fact, it will do some mischief, for when the cart pauses, its action will be reversed for the want of a stay, and the cart will run backwards, and perhaps gain such momentum as to over-ride the stone entirely, and plunge to destruction. This is the sort of mischief which results from lax laws. Good laws may not make men good; but bad laws certainly demoralize men. A legislative enactment is “good,” not necessarily because it is ideal, it may be far from ideal but when it precisely meets the need of a brake, and prevents a nation from backsliding. And that law keeps “good” only as it keeps pace with the progress of the nation. (Katharine Bushnell, God’s Word to Women. para 567-570)
Moses’ law was written for the Israelites immediately after they spent a few centuries in slavery. Consider what kind of people they were. Uneducated? Dependent? Childlike? Irresponsible? And the women usually fared worse than the men in slavery. Like children, they required many rules to keep them from killing themselves, and each other. “These commandments indicate the lowest level, not the highest, for the foundation of character.” (Katharine Bushnell. God’s Word to Women. par 580) Also note the world they lived in. Most historians I’ve read agree that Moses’ law was more humane to women than even Hammurabi’s which makes little provision for justice regarding women as either the victim or the perpetrator.
All that to say… Moses’ law is not God’s law for all people, for all time. It is hard to look down the hill from where we’ve progressed (farther along in kingdom) and judge it fairly. The fact that we’ve come a long way from it is precisely what God intended. Christians, compared to the Israelites, are like adults… with the Spirit of God to guide us. His TRUE law is written on our hearts. Christ came to fulfill the law… He showed us what God’s law truly was. Jesus altered and course-corrected Moses’ law.
So, it may be possible to look at Moses’ Law and conclude it was unfair to women. But, that law was not God’s eternal ideal. It served to stop the Israelites from sliding into even worse behavior that was normal for that day and age.
Specific Answer
Specifically about rape and menstural cycles, I think a thorough reading will show the law is fair.
- Sure, women were unclean while on their periods, but men were also unclean if they had any discharge…semen, blocked bowels, blood (STDs). (Lev 15) The first part of the chapter covers men, the second half the women. The law is fair. The law also takes the health of the woman into account by regulating marital relations in this way.
- The repercussions of harming a woman is the same for harming a man. Eye for eye. Tooth for tooth. (Ex 21:20-27) *Notice the husband serves as witness before the court for the harm inflicted to his wife and child. This is not a case of fined reimbursement for destroyed property as in verses 30- 36.*
- Maligned wives are protected under Moses’ law. If her husband lies about her, she is to live with her parents yet remained married and not disgraced. Her husband provides for her still. (Remember virginity was important because lineage was figured through the man’s line, and the only way to insure a child had a certain father was to guarantee the faithfulness of the wife or the virginity of the bride. See my post on female lineage to understand this concept better.) These laws erased illegitimacy. (Deut 22:13-21)
- In cases of rape where consent is questioned, the law is again fair. If a woman screams or fights back or there is no one near to hear her, the man is charged. If there is no sign of struggle or its obvious they both agreed, both of them are punished. (Deut. 22:22-27)
- In cases of rape where a virgin maiden is involved, marriage is required. Why? A “spoiled” woman was a drain on her father’s income because she had no way to provide income as an umarried woman, and it was hard to find a husband for a non-virgin. So the rapist is required to provide shelter and provision for the woman he stole. He is never allowed to divorce her. Remember, this was a hand-to-mouth society. A woman not under protection of a man, has no way to support herself. Happiness is not a factor compared to staying alive. The law provides a just solution for a horrible crime that destroys her chances of marriage, shelter, children and even food. The law was written to protect the virgins by preventing rape , not to harm them by requiring them to marry their rapist. (Deut 22:28-30)
Here are some other ways Moses’ law elevates the plight of Israelite women.
- God gave women their father’s inheritance and allowed them to earn their own income. Number 27
- Single or widowed ladies could marry who they wanted within their own tribe (probably due to economic reasons). Number 36:6 and 1 Cor 7:39
- Maidens gave their consent to marriage patterned after Rebekah’s choice in Genesis 24:57-58.
- You shall not commit adultery is another way to reinforce God’s ideas about marriage: one flesh/unity. (Exodus 20, Genesis 2) In ancient times, this protected the wife since a roving husband was a danger to her well being. It also protected children from illegitimacy and being a societal outcast.
Yes, this ancient law was primitive. It could have done more to lift the position of women. But compared to the laws of the land of the time, Moses’ law revealed that God cared for justice for women and children as well as the men.
So how come Paul is mysogynic when all he might be saying is women shouldn’t teach?
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May God bless you! On the basis of tbe whole Bible, I can list at least 24 reasons for good feminism. Women can prophesy, teach, and preach. Good feminism proffers that women can contribute to all the areas of society. God will finally vindicate good feminism while God will ultimately destroy bad feminism. Bad feminists do not fear God with reverence and awe, do not respect the authority of the Bible as the word of God, and do not value God-given lives of unborn babies. 1Corinthians 14″34-35 and 1Timothy 2:11-15 cannot be the umbrella for all the bibilical passages of women. There are too many textual and contextual problems in 1Corinthians 14 and 1Timothy 2.But I fear and tremble before God and the word of God.My best education was from God’s school of Hard Knock (Suffering). In 2003 ( or 2004), I got a stroke. In 2013, I got a stroke again. I could not speak. My left side was paralyzed. A tube was directly inserted into my stomach because I could not swallow food. I was very depressed. I even tried to kill myself. Thank God! Now I can speak. I can walk slowly. I enjoy eating by mouth. I am learning to rejoice always, to pray without ceasing, to be thankful in all circumstances, and humbly to be obedient to the word of God. Although my biblical interpretations are for women, I do not claim that my interpretations of the Bible is perfect. All human beings live within the limit of their experiences and knowledge. But I do not understand why some women argue that the law of Moses commands a woman to marry her rapist. In Exodus 22:15, the verb is seduce (pathah) not rape (‘anah). In 2Samuel 13:16, Tamar told her rapist Amnon that “sending me away is a greater wrong” (NIV). I do not know why God allowed polygamy during the time of the Old Testament. But now it is clear that God wants the marriage of one women and one man. Jesus told the disciples to tell the story of a woman with the gospel of Jesu’ love and resurrection. God promises to pour out the Holy Spirit upon both women and men, both young and old to prophesy, to dream dreams, and to see visions “before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the Lord” (Joel 2:31 NIV). Praise God who uses both women and men for the kingdom of God before the end times.
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What makes no sense? The progress of humanity to understand the impact and need for legislation? That God’s law was not full blown egalitarianism?
How would you answer the question posed at the beginning? I have an answer that is not completely satisfying, but fits with my understanding of history.
God’s law was good. And when applied with the spirit intended (to love God and others), it was beautiful. For example, the story of Ruth.
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I really don’t have an answer for the question posed at the beginning. That’s why I’m here, looking for answers.
1). Why should a girl be expected to scream or resist in any way? Many victims are helpless. (check out The Invisible War documentary)
2). How far do the people of God have to progress to understand that women should be treated well? You don’t have to be a genius to not treat women like goods. The Israelites were people with a nature the same as ours. They could definitely change their minds/culture.
3). Why are rapists and cheating husbands spared but not cheating wives, or women who have sex on their periods?
Christians now are loving God and each other without these specific laws.
I don’t understand why these and other such laws were given. What the point of limiting a bad culture when it can be done away with just like the pre-flood peoples or the Canaanites?
When women in Afghanistan and other countries are being treated badly because of their culture, what should we do? Should we not help them and fight against oppression? But if the Israelite women protested would they be killed for rebellion?
The story of Ruth has nothing to do with rape victims being stoned, or cheating husbands being spared, etc. I believe it was written to show that not all foreign women are bad. That’s why it ends with the geneology, a fitting conclusion.
Thank you.
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You ask questions that have been asked for a long time. I don’t think we will have 100% suitable answers this side of heaven. I commend you on your search. Sometimes it helps to boil things down to two or three options and then pick the one you can live with. That’s what I did. Does it mean there aren’t still questions or that things don’t line up perfectly? No. Mostly it means that I don’t want to accept the alternative which is to say that God does not value women the same as men or that God is not able to step into culture in a more domineering way. I think God absolutely could have changed things but he self limits to giving us selfish creatures a free will.
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May God bless you! Thank you for many good questions. I do not know why God allowed polygamy during the time of the Old Testament. But now it is clear that God wants the marriage of one woman and one man. Because 1Corinthians 14 and 1Timothy 2 have many textual and contextual problems, it is not biblical to keep on demanding the silence of women in the church. It is biblical that women can prophecy, teach, and preach. On the basis of the whole Bible, I can list at least 24 reasons for good feminism. Good feminism proffers that women can contribute to all the areas of society. God will finally vindicate good feminism while God will ultimately destroy bad feminism. Bad feminists do not fear God in reverence and awe, do not respect the authority of the Bible as the word of God, do not value God-given lives of unborn babies. I fear and tremble before Gopd and the word of God. My best education was from God’s School of hard Knock (Suffering). In 2003 ( or 2004), I got a stroke. In 2013, I got a stroke again. I could not speak. My left side was paralyzed. A tube was directly inserted into my stomach because I could not swallow food. I was very depressed. I even tried to kill myself. Thank God! Now I can speak. I can walk slowly. I enjoy eating food by mouth. I am learning to be joyful always, to pray without ceasing, to be thankful in all circumstances, and to be humbly obedient to the word of God. All human beings live within the limit of their experiences and knowledge. I do not claim that my biblical interpretations are perfect. For me, the Bible is full of good stories about women. Deborah was a judge, political leader, prophetess, advisor for a military general. God used Huldat to reveal God’s will more clearly the a priest and king’s ministers. I do not understand why some women argue that the Old Testament teaches a women to marry her rapist. In Exodus 22:15, the verb is seduce (pathah) not rape (‘anah). Tamar told her rapist Amnon that “sending me away is a greater wrong” (2Samuel 13:16). Jesus told disciples to spread the story of a woman with the gospel of Jesus in the whole world. Women were the first witnesses of Jesus’ resurrection. God will pour out the Holy Spirit upon both women and men, both young and old to prophesy, to dream dreams, and to see visions “before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the Lord” (Joel 2:31). God will use both women and men for great awakening and revival before the end times. Praise God! Glory to God! Amen! .
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The rapist is not killed for rape – only for raping a betrothed woman. Even if she’s a single woman, why should the rapist go unpunished? Why should she marry the rapist just because of their stupid ‘damaged goods’ culture? What kind of person sees a rape victim as ‘damaged’. Even the Romans punished rapists. Now the woman has to live with her rapist, give him children, and relive the rape many times over.
Also, why should a girl be expected to scream or resist in any way? Why place responsibility on the rape victim when she never wanted to be raped in the first place? All victims react in different ways. How can it be consensual if it’s rape? What is a sign of struggle? A girl can easily be pinned down and gagged. Is she supposed to scream after the rape, like Tamar? But the next verse says ‘there was no one to rescue her’ implying that she should scream before the rape. But Bathsheba wasn’t blamed, even though she didn’t scream.
Should the elevation of women depend on how well women are treated in the neighboring countries?
Were the Israelites so brainless they couldn’t understand right from wrong? I know the law was given to the exodus generation, but these laws were still around for centuries, which is a time long enough for a deep culture change. If these specific laws weren’t there, and the people were held to a higher standard, would it negatively affect society? If they can’t accept a high standard, that’s their sin. Besides, sabbath breakers and murderers didn’t get away, neither did women who had sex on their periods. The Jews didn’t dare to say God’s name, pronouncing it as YHWH instead. Why would they dare to break a higher law just because of their primitive culture?
What about the cannibals and amazonian tribes that changed their ways quickly? Shouldn’t a nation with easy access to God change their ways as well?
I don’t understand. It doesn’t make any sense.
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The rapist Amnon was killed by Absalom, the biological brother of Tamar. Even though there are some difficult passages in the Bible, the Bible clearly shows that God is “a consuming fire” of justice for both women and men. God will vindicate good women against all kinds of abuse, violence and prejudice. Thank God!
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The rapist Amnon was killed by Absalom, the biological brother of Tamar. Even though there are some difficult passages in the Bible, the Bible clearly shows that God is “a consuming fire” of justice for both women and men. God will vindicate good women against all kinds of abuse, violence and prejudice. Thank God!
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More on that Deut 22:28-30 part:
The common translation of that verse is not to contain the word rape. The Hebrew use a word, tabas/taphas, first used in Gen 4 for what Jubal did with musical instruments. In may mean to handle skillfully, as in seduce.
And compare Deut 22:28-30 to Exodus 22:16-17: Exo 22:16 And if a man entice a maid that is not betrothed, and lie with her, he shall surely endow her to be his wife.
Exo 22:17 If her father utterly refuse to give her unto him, he shall pay money according to the dowry of virgins.
Her father (and probably she himself) could refuse the marriage, but he will pay her the money . She’ll need it, for reasons you mentioned.
This may interest you too: http://www.mandm.org.nz/2009/07/sunday-study-does-the-bible-teach-that-a-rape-victim-has-to-marry-her-rapist.html
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